Wednesday, November 3, 2010

Typhoid Maven?


What a load of hooey! The hooey of which I speak means silly or worthless talk, writing, ideas, etc.; nonsense; bunk. Example: That's a load of hooey and you know it. The perfect introduction for discussing two blog posts titled Jingoistic Genealogy and Genealogy Snob. In my opinion, these two articles are a load of hooey.

The author of these posts, claims to be a genealogy snob. He is not. He is a plain old garden variety elitist snob. Elitist (The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.) Snob (a person who behaves condescendingly to others).

In all fairness the author owns his position saying, "this is an explanation of how I see social genealogy" and admitting that as he is an introvert everything comes from within. Being an introvert appears to have encouraged him to believe everything he says or thinks is the correct position, having no validation for his opinions other than himself. You can't survive in an echo chamber? Embrace us and this new medium.

Tiger has a tremendous amount of disdain (to regard or treat with haughty contempt; despise) for the people he has assisted in becoming members of the DAR or Mayflower Society while working at NEHGS. He has been doing, gasp, their research. Gosh, I hope this was for free and you aren't trashing people who actually gave you their hard earned money.

The author says, "Socially-active genealogists have, by and large, hurt rather than help (sic) genealogy." Socially-active genealogists? Sounds as if the author equates us to some sort of nasty disease. Pardon me, but is there an inoculation for blogging, Twitter, or faceBook? Truth be known there are times I could use a shot. Wait a minute! Isn't that a genealogy blog on which you post? Gads, you're one of them/us.

And God (that would be my personal God - had to slip him in here with the patriotism part. I know how you love posts on God and patriotism.) help me, but I love my country and even the flag. Patriotism (love for or devotion to one's country) is not a bad word. I believe that because we are largely a country of immigrants we are the first to fly the badge of patriotism. It is from the words of so many of our ancestors that we have gained true insight into what so many born here take for granted.

"It doesn't help when Geneabloggers offers blogging ideas such as Election Day or 9-11. Neither has to do with genealogy. What else are people to say, but how great it is to vote, and how freedom is great, and how we owe so much to the generations that fought and died for our right to vote, etc. etc. It just makes me so uncomfortable."

Now, I write often about my personal experiences. I call it family history. It is a gift to those for whom I will be their ancestor. They will know far more about my mundane life than I did about my ancestors' lives. I have wondered so many times where my ancestors were and what they were doing on significant dates and events. I have always wondered did my ancestors vote, how did they vote, and what was their political party? So I find these topics extremely relevant to genealogy/family history.

I offer a suggestion. If this makes you uncomfortable, don't read those posts. I enjoy them very much and have never felt uncomfortable with a heartfelt post. I do find it interesting that you have taken Thomas' suggestions for Surname Saturday and Wordless Wednesday posts and used them. So are you the arbiter of what is and is not relevant in the world of genealogy?

Quotes From The Posts

"There was a presumption of intimacy that was never there, nor does it exist today--Facebook is not the same as having real friends." Well, sure it is. Not only friends, but dare I say it out loud, RELATIVES follow me. Many are friends in the "real world" and the relatives have found me through blogging, facebook, and Twitter. And I am the richer for it.

"Well, all that would be fine if I were a God-fearing straight republican, but I am agnostic gay liberal (sic). And the conversation would end abruptly." Is it possible that it wasn't the "message," but the "timing" and "delivery?"

I'm sure by now the above referenced author is expressing irritation at being questioned by Typhoid Maven, swearing under his breath, "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!" In the words of the great Monty Python, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" But you should when you blog your opinions.

Now, I will stop shellacking the author and commend him on his dedication to citing his sources and to his use of footnotes. Typhoid Maven always says that you're only as good as your last source citation and the author is pretty good.

Suggestions from Typhoid Maven:

It is the wise genealogist/family historian who embraces the
belief that genealogy is not solely a backward facing discipline.
We must all look to the future.

Educate yourself.
I am intelligent enough to know I don't know everything.
If Thomas ever gives a class on Twitter, facebook, or blogging in
your area, attend. I can't believe there is nothing left for you to learn.

Read Thomas' post explaining the work of
Geneabloggers. Excellent!

Let's try this again!
There is no more warm and welcoming
community on the internet.
Did you really give us a chance?

And in the words of my good "friend" (that would be my Twitter, facebook, blogging, and real world friend) Randy Seaver, Genea-Musings, I'm ready for the slings and arrows! (I expect the Spanish Inquisition.)

P.S. A note to new genealogy/family history bloggers. We have had one of these dust-ups every year since I started blogging. This too shall pass.

And maybe, just maybe, I'll make the list at The Clue Wagon. LOL!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love a woman that speaks her mind!

November 4, 2010 at 10:10 AM  
Blogger Susan Clark said...

Thanks for opening up this post to comments. I somehow missed this conflagration over the past couple of days. Would that I had missed it today.

I feel a bit like the child in the back seat of the car watching her parents squabble. It would be lovely if those of you I generally admire would behave in more admirable ways.

I do not understand the need to respond so personally to Martin Hollick's post. He expressed his sentiments clearly and certainly annoyed and offended you and many others. But his original post was not personal. He referred to Geneabloggers, to be sure. But that is a community site, a virtual watering hole. Surely it is possible to disagree and even to respond to him without ratcheting up to a personal attack.

One other point, it's hard to see this community as warm and welcoming when its giants write in absolutes such as "We must all look to the future." It may seem a benign statement to you, but it does not appear so to me.

November 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM  
Blogger footnoteMaven said...

Thanks Anonymous, but not everyone agrees with you. See below.

Nolichucky Roots -

Good for you for commenting and disagreeing with me.

I apologize for the comments being absent, but it seems Blogger shuts off sometimes and sometimes not, so I hope I have corrected that.

If you read this post closely, you'd have seen that it was a parody of the referenced posts. Down to the overuse and inclusions of word definitions.

Now I didn't consider this personal, I used his own words and defended my position. Often with what I considered humor. Obviously, you didn't.

Personal would have been had I said something like "Isn't (sic) highly ironic that I'm now being bullied by a gay man who wears Mardi Gras beads?"

Now of all the things I thought was the most benign in this post was my "look to the future remark."

It is a fact, I am going to die. I won't be here forever. I write about my life for future generations. I feel that is my responsibility as a family historian.

So now, when I post a "Cranky Pants Alert," you'll take me seriously and read no further.


November 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM  
Blogger Susan Clark said...

Fair enough, fM. I'll duck when alerted. And I was profoundly offended by the beads comment, as I made clear to Mr. Hollick.

November 4, 2010 at 2:04 PM  
Blogger footnoteMaven said...

Nolichucky Roots

If only my children could disagree with me as well as you have.

I have enjoyed our discourse. And yes, the remark was highly personal and offensive.

Wander back anytime the alert isn't flying.


November 4, 2010 at 2:15 PM  
Blogger John said...

I was a little surprised by it, but I didn't find Martin's remark offensive because as far as I am aware, neither Martin nor Thomas have been silent about their sexual preference.

If Martin had been outing Thomas, that would have been highly offensive. (And if Thomas isn't, and I have somehow 'known' that he is for a long time without any factual basis, I will need to apologize for making the assumption. But I suspect he has mentioned it somewhere somewhen.)

However, Martin wrote a post that directly references people refusing to socialize with him online because he is an agnostic gay liberal, and then gets attacked by someone who is at least one of those three -- that is ironic. It would be ironic if he was any of the three.

If you see this as offensive as you feel that calling someone gay is 'defamation' that implies that the sexual preference is something negative, which I don't believe, and which I doubt either Thomas or Martin believes.

If there is something offensive about mentioning the Mardi Gras beads, that goes beyond calling attention to the irony, I don't see it.

November 4, 2010 at 8:31 PM  
Blogger footnoteMaven said...

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November 4, 2010 at 8:50 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

"Now, I will stop shellacking the author and commend him on his dedication to citing his sources and to his use of footnotes. Typhoid Maven always says that you're only as good as your last source citation and the author is pretty good."

I would suffered a hundred more slings and arrows just to get this compliment. Thank you.

November 6, 2010 at 8:54 AM  
Blogger footnoteMaven said...

Martin, Martin, Martin -

What a tremendous good sport you are.

"Pretty good" is rather an understatement. Your research, sources, and citations are excellent. But you already know that. I do find, however, that it's always nice to hear it from someone else.

And I believe we both share the same warped sense of humor. Some get us, some don't.

Now if you ever want to try that facebook thing again, friend me.


November 6, 2010 at 12:32 PM  

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